Talk:Sciatic nerve

Size?

My Anatomy professor said this was the largest nerve in the (canine and human) body. Is this really the case? Google search - http://www.google.co.za/search?q=%22largest+nerve+in+the+body%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a - gives mostly Sciatic but some for the Vagus - is it a case of largest meaning thickest versus meaning longest? 198.54.202.242 (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

about the pain

How does the pain looks like? Can somebody tell me about that and about the similer articles of pain in that region?

Someone check on this I thought the Sciatic nerve sent articular branches to the knee, this article says hip. Is there contoversy or just bad typing??

Both are correct, when understood properly. It supplies the hip joint, and then from the knee and downwards. BTW, remember to sign your posts with four tildes like this ~~~~ . -- Fyslee 21:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Innervation

The sciatic nerve doesn't supply gluteus maximus, gemellus, obturator internus, or quadratus femoris, to my knowledge. These are all supplied off other nerves from the sacral plexus. Can someone confirm this so it can be edited? Snellios 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Caps

The Piriformis muscles, the nerve to the Quadratus femoris, the Obturator internus and Gemelli... are anatomical details capitalized this way in English? It looks strange to me, but I am not a native speaker. // habj 21:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

sural n

can someone please write in prose how the sural nerver relates to the sciatic and the tibial? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.77.26 (talk) 19:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Religion

Isn't this an article about the human sciatic nerve? Religious discussion should be placed in either food related or religion related articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phreed100 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I removed the religion section. Enough information is supplied in the Shechita page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phreed100 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

And again I removed it, there is plenty of discussion in other locations. This is an article based on Gray's Anatomy of the human sciatic nerve. Is the human sciatic nerver considered under kashrut? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phreed100 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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Branches

Sorry, but in the branches section it states :

"The muscular branch eventually gives off the tibial nerve and common fibular nerve, which innervates the muscles of the (lower) leg."

It seems unclear which of the two nerves innervate the muscles of the lower leg, unless it implies that the two nerves together innervate the muscles of the lower leg (albeit different muscles in different compartments), in which case would "innervate" be the correct word?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.211.67 (talk) 14:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Delete or keep: In culture section about gid hanasheh

Hi. The IP-user 74.105.144.178 and I have had a discussion on whether or not to keep the section In culture (see paragraph below) and have reverted one an others edits a couple of times. The section is at the moment removed but should it be reinstated? For clarity I will state that I did not add the content but merely copy/edited it. Please join in to the discussion so some sort of consensus can be made.

The paragraph in question is: Jewish Law forbids to eat the sciatic nerve, which is referred to as the gid hanasheh (גיד הנשה). The removal of the gid hanasheh and cheilev (forbidden fats) is called nikkur. Since it is labor intensive to remove all the forbidden parts of the hind-quarters of an animal, the entire hind quarters are usually sold to the non-kosher market.

IP-user removed it with following reasons (I have shorted the argument. IP, hope that is okay otherwise change. Full comment can be seen at my talkpage):

• The jewish population constitutes less than 0.2% of the world population. And of that tiny group, a vast majority of jewish people do not keep kosher. So you have entered a cultural reference that is very obscure. It is also based on religious dietary restrictions, which should be kept to a separate page.
• While interesting to some, there are plenty of better venues to discuss Jewish Law than on an anatomy page.
• There is a separate entry for sciatic nerve associated with Jewish Law. A link to this page has been added under See Also.

My views why is should stay: If the jewish population constitutes less than 0.2% (lets say 0,1 % due to my horrible math) that is still 7 million people. Even if many/most of these 7 million does not follow this jewish law it is still a part of a major religion and is as such notable (I think we both agree that it has a place on Wikipedia, but the question if it should also be mentioned on this page).

• So in regards to the position on this page: It is only three sentences/lines on a page on a relative short page (The addition of this information does not make the article so long that it needs shortening or forking).
• On other anatomy pages such as liver we have sections about cultural allusions describing the punishment of Prometheus (note to above; there is a lot more Jews than people who believe in Greek mythology).
• The paragraph is about the sciatic nerve specifically, the topic of the article. While many will find it irrelevant (as most viewers properly will the Branches section) it is still information about the topic. Why not have it? If it has no value some readers we must assume that they simply skip it like they would any other section.

Please join in. Kind regards JakobSteenberg (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree with separate pages. This was discussed in 2011, with Phreed100 being one that argued the same thing in deleting religious additions. Just because the Liver page has mythology on it, that doesn't mean that this page should. I think most people searching for sciatic nerve are not looking for religious context. And the ones looking for religious context will find it easily on another page. Keep this page anatomy based. I would vote to delete even the See Also link because it just has no place on this page. But I'll leave that up to others. St2356 (talk) 15:35, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I just looked back through the edits on this page. It looks like the religious content was not present until JakobSteenberg added it earlier this year. So for several years it was not there. I still think it has no place on this page. The kidney and Abdominopelvic cavity pages could potentially deal with Chelev but they don't, because they are anatomy pages. You could literally add Jewish Law to millions of pages on Wikipedia. But it's not appropriate. There are separate pages for that information. It has no place on any of these anatomy pages. St2356 (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC

Correction; sorry, I did add that content (Just looked through the page-history. I completely forgot and allowed my self to be fooled by the fact that I know nothing about Jewish law. Somebody added a link to gid hanasheh under see also, I looked at it and added the content into the article). Again, sorry. I was not trying to mislead anybody. I just simply forgot. St2356, thanks for taking the time to respond. Are you the IP-user who now have made an account? JakobSteenberg (talk) 17:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Content removal

• The articular branches (rami articulares) arise from the upper part of the nerve and supply the hip-joint, perforating the posterior part of its capsule; they are sometimes derived from the sacral plexus.

• The muscular branches (rami musculares) are distributed to the following muscles of the lower limb: biceps femoris, semitendinosus, semimembranosus, and the hamstring portion of adductor magnus. The nerve to the short head of the biceps femoris comes from the common fibular part of the sciatic (see below), while the other muscular branches arise from the tibial portion, as may be seen in those cases where there is a high division of the sciatic nerve.

I don't think it is standard description to divide the sciatic nerve into articular and motor branches, and my references do not include it, so I have left this on the talk page. --LT910001 (talk) 06:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)